Author Topic: Brushy Mountain bee farm (Read 6395 times)

cao · « **on:** November 11, 2018, 10:16:34 am »

Any info on them closing?

BeeMaster2 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2018, 10:22:55 am »

I received this message when I checked their site.

Our Web site is temporarily unavailable while we perform routine system maintenance. We are working on the site to improve its appearance and functionality.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience. Please visit us again later.
Jim

Jim134 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2018, 10:49:39 am »

https://youtu.be/3nPyMBdOh_Y

Bee Happy Jim134

iddee · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2018, 02:02:12 pm »

I have been told they closed all 3 stores and didn't even tell the employees. The rumor is they are filing bankruptcy.

chux · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2018, 09:45:11 am »

Brushy Mountain had quality customer service. I liked what they did for the beekeeping community. But...their prices were a bit high. It seemed that they catered to the hobbyist who had a couple of hives in the back yard and didn't mind paying higher prices. Maybe they can restructure somehow...???

Michael Bush · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2018, 12:51:24 pm »

Bankruptcy often leads to restructuring... I guess we will see.

It occurs to me, they were the only LEGAL source for Oxalic acid labeled for use on Varroa mites...

Ben Framed · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2018, 01:01:48 pm »

Quote from: Michael Bush on November 13, 2018, 12:51:24 pm

Bankruptcy often leads to restructuring... I guess we will see.

It occurs to me, they were the only LEGAL source for Oxalic acid labeled for use on Varroa mites...

I didn't realize this Michael, I wonder why they were the only (legal) source?
Phillip

MikeyN.C. · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2018, 02:46:35 pm »

Exactly MB,
I think they were only one by FDA that could sell OA. Was wondering same thing.

MikeyN.C. · « **Reply #8 on:** November 13, 2018, 02:49:58 pm »

Or is it USDA ??

Dallasbeek · « **Reply #9 on:** November 13, 2018, 08:39:50 pm »

They spent the money for testing their product for approval, so their product was approved for sale. Others can buy from them and sell the approved product, but the untested, unapproved product is not legal to sell for treatment of bees. Same chemical, but their product is legal, while other products are legal as wood bleach and other uses, but not to treat bees for varroa mites.

Ben Framed · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2018, 11:29:23 am »

The followiing is the 7 page registration report decision for OA In the Unided Stares of America. Every beekeeper, (in my opinion), should read and be informed. Rich information here. If you wish to visit the site simply google the following,

(Oxlic Acid registered by EPA for use against varroa mites on honey)

Once this page is reached, simply scroll down until you see the followimg words printed in blue. Touch and the report will appear on a new page, then Simply touch PDF.

**from J.E. Housenger, EPA, Registration Decision for the New Active Ingredient Oxalic Acid

Good reading,
Phillip Hall "Ben Framed"

Michael Bush · « **Reply #11 on:** November 14, 2018, 03:04:58 pm »

>I didn't realize this Michael, I wonder why they were the only (legal) source?

It takes money to get things approved. Brushy Mt. paid for the testing and approval process.

Ben Framed · « **Reply #12 on:** November 14, 2018, 03:19:07 pm »

Quote from: Michael Bush on November 14, 2018, 03:04:58 pm

>I didn't realize this Michael, I wonder why they were the only (legal) source?

It takes money to get things approved. Brushy Mt. paid for the testing and approval process.

If you havn't read the artical described in post 10, you might enjoy. It tells of who did research along with other interesting facts and why the EPA approved OA.

Michael Bush · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2018, 12:00:02 pm »

>**from J.E. Housenger, EPA, Registration Decision for the New Active Ingredient Oxalic Acid

Doesn't show up on the page for me... The EPA web page comes up but I don't see this link on that page.

chux · « **Reply #14 on:** November 15, 2018, 02:37:54 pm »

Quote from: Ben Framed on November 14, 2018, 11:29:23 am

The followiing is the 7 page registration report decision for OA In the Unided Stares of America. Every beekeeper, (in my opinion), should read and be informed. Rich information here. If you wish to visit the site simply google the following,

(Oxlic Acid registered by EPA for use against varroa mites on honey)

Once this page is reached, simply scroll down until you see the followimg words printed in blue. Touch and the report will appear on a new page, then Simply touch PDF.

**from J.E. Housenger, EPA, Registration Decision for the New Active Ingredient Oxalic Acid

Good reading,
Phillip Hall "Ben Framed"

I'm a pretty simple person, but it appears to me that the finding was that Oxalic was approved for registration and use. So...we can use it, but we can only use it if we get it from someone who registered? OK. The product is safe to use, and we can buy it over the counter from a variety of sources. But...we can only use it if we purchase it from people who paid the government for registration??? Am I the only one who sees a problem here? Those who register to sell it did not invent the product. They took something that was already out there produced by somebody else, then paid the government to have permission to be the only people who can sell the product for beekeeper use.

BeeMaster2 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 15, 2018, 02:58:55 pm »

Chux,
Yep, sounds pretty shaky.
Jim

Ben Framed · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2018, 03:14:30 pm »

Quote from: sawdstmakr on November 15, 2018, 02:58:55 pm

Chic,
Yep, sounds pretty shaky.
Jims

Exactly! If you read the approval records, described in post 10, (if that is the proper wording I am using, you will see who was credited for the research). Mainly the taxpayer. A pretty good explanation how, when, and why Oxalic Acid was approved. The official office of government doesn't mention any dealer of the product. As I said before, if you get a chance I recommend reading the approval record, and see for yourselves.
Now, perhaps Brushy Mountain did some Lobbying and got the Monopoly to distribute? I don't know and this is just a guess. Or perhaps there is more behind the scenes or in clear view that I haven't found that will absolutely concur with what some have said?

Phillip

Jim134 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2018, 04:00:35 pm »

Brushy Mountain does not have any monopoly on OA.. If you want to go through all the testing process it take to become EPA approved.... You can do it.. By the way I do not think Brushy Mountain licenses runs out until Summer time 2019....

BEE HAPPY Jim134

Ben Framed · « **Reply #18 on:** November 15, 2018, 04:37:47 pm »

Quote from: Michael Bush on November 15, 2018, 12:00:02 pm

>**from J.E. Housenger, EPA, Registration Decision for the New Active Ingredient Oxalic Acid

Doesn't show up on the page for me... The EPA web page comes up but I don't see this link on that page.

Once this EPA page is reached, simply scroll down until you see the following words printed in blue, (Highlighted in blue)

( Registration Decision for the New Active Ingredient Oxalic Acid )

Touch and the report will appear on a new page, then Simply touch PDF the report will pull up.

Quote from: Jim 134 on November 15, 2018, 04:00:35 pm

Brushy Mountain does not have any monopoly on OA.. If you want to go through all the testing process it take to become EPA approved.... You can do it.. By the way I do not think Brushy Mountain licenses runs out until Summer time 2019....

BEE HAPPY Jim134

I don't know anything about this, only what is said and speculated on and in this topic, But I have also read the report, the report seems pretty clear to me OA is approved.... Did the report say that it was to be distributed only by an approved dealer for OA? I don't recall reading this in the report but might have missed it. Or perhaps there is more behind the scenes or in clear view that I haven't found, that will absolutely concur with what some here have said? The point is, If they, (Brushy Mountain) are the only approved dealer and the only legal way to obtain OA for treating The mite, (buying from them), what is next? I suppose we had all better get in touch with MB and get in line to purchase his resistance bees! 😁😊. And if so, good for you Michael, you have worked hard and long to develop the resistance bee!

Thanks, Phillip Hall

iddee · « **Reply #19 on:** November 15, 2018, 06:23:43 pm »

You can buy OA in any Lowes or Ace hardware, ETC. If you use it on a beehive for mites, you are using it "off label". Brushy is the only one who can issue a label as to how to use it for mites.